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Hello @Priya,

This thread is intended as a peace offering, following a discussion of the allegory of the tower that got nowhere but grumpiness. But I would not post this just for the sake of peace. Rather, my recent research has prompted me to reconsider in a much more sympathetic light your readings of Bombadil and Goldberry.

There is a fundamental difference in the ways that you and I read Tolkien's texts. Like most people, you read the published text, the canonical version, while I read the texts biographically, attempting to situate them in relation to the development of Tolkien's thought over time. Both methods are legitimate but on occasion my approach prompts me to question canonical readings. In the case of my reading of your Bombadil research this was the case but has now swung completely the other way. I will explain.

In the following I will not provide references to sources, although obviously this is the foundation of my research. But time is limited. So below I will simply summarize and gesture to the sources and invite you to challenge me to explain my reasoning further and/or demand this or that particular source as you wish.

1. Initial conception of the Bombadil story
(a) Just a few days before commencing a new Hobbit story, Tolkien sends to Stanley Unwin a copy of the 1934 poem 'The Adventures of Tom Bombadil' and wonders if Tom might be made the hero of a new story.

(b) The very first notes for the new Hobbit story posit adventures in the Old Forest and with a Barrow-wight and Tom Bombadil coming in. An imagination of some form of these adventures predates the placing of the magic ring of the Necromancer at the center of the new story.

(c) So, when in mid-February 1938 Tolkien begins a second chapter (the first being the long-expected party) his only idea is that this chapter will take three Hobbits across the Shire to Buckland, which borders the Old Forest, so that a third chapter will tell of the adventures in Bombadil's realm.

(d) In general, Tolkien's idea is to write a sequel to The Hobbit of about the same length as the original but with most of the adventures happening before Rivendell. In late 1939, with the narrative hardly advanced beyond Rivendell, he writes to Unwin that his story is 3/4 complete. Hence, in the original idea of a sequel, Bombadil is not marginal (as he becomes) but a core part of the adventure.

(e) To understand this original vision one must look at the map of Wilderland in The Hobbit, in which the Wild only begins after the Last Homely House. In the first (then only) edition of The Hobbit it is said that the lands between Bag-end and Rivendell are gentle and respectable (the three Trolls have wandered down from the mountains, where the Wild properly begins).

(f) The new Hobbit story with 3/4 of the adventures set before Rivendell thus entails not only filling in the map before Rivendell but also telling a different kind of adventure. Tolkien's solution is to imagine these lands as not 'wild' but 'queer', with the meaning of 'queer' illustrated by the dream-like enchantment of the Withywindle valley.

2. Unpremediated Ringwraiths
One night out from Bag-end something unexpected happens. The very first draft tells how the Hobbits hide at the sound of a horse, the horse comes into view, the rider sniffs – and is discovered to be Gandalf. We now see Tolkien revise his prose so that on the horse is a Black Rider. After a second Black Rider appears the company of Elves turns up and they explain that these Black Riders are Ringwraiths. In a letter of March 1938 Tolkien describes this as an 'unpremeditated turn' to his story. The story that we know begins with this turn.

3. Composition of Bombadil story
Tolkien continues to write and gets the Hobbits to the house at Crickhollow, all ready to enter the Old Forest and commence the already planned 'queer' adventure in the realm of Bombadil. The date is now early March 1938 and Tolkien puts the story away until August. When he resumes writing in August he rapidly pens the adventures in Bombadil's realm, almost exactly as we read them today. Of course, there are a few later revisions, such as the idea (which halfir made much of) that Tom will not step beyond his borders and the dropping of Bombadil's self-designation of 'aborigine', replaced with the 'who are you, alone, yourself, and nameless'. But in general, what we read today is what Tolkien put down on paper in August 1938. No other section of what became Fellowship contains so little subsequent revision.

4. Bombadil in relation to the story about the Necromancer's magic ring
By August the main story about the magic ring has become central and so Bombadil is worked up out of the 1934 poem in a manner that is not only 'queer' but also complements this main story. At this point, Tolkien has the idea that humor and not taking life too seriously is an antidote to the evil magic of the ring, and Bingo Bolger-Baggins, the original heir of Bilbo, is a prankster Hobbit. The story at this time has Bingo host the long-expected party, and his vanishing from his own birthday party is the first of his practical jokes with the ring. He performs another practical joke in the house of Farmer Maggot. But Bombadil is a sort of fairy-tale ideal of not taking life too seriously and so while the ring of the Necromancer has no effect on him he shows up the limitations of a Hobbit's practical jokes – seeing Bingo when he puts on the ring and preparing the scene for Bree where Bingo falls off the table and vanishes and what looks like a practical joke isn’t.

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The above is pretty much what I had worked out a few years ago and is what has made me hesitant about accepting your in-depth readings of Tom and Goldberry, which seemed to me to read from a post-LotR perspective (in which Tolkien looks at the whole universe and everything in it) what was really a Hobbit kind of story, brilliant as is anything written by Tolkien, but far less ambitious than your research presupposes.

But in these last few months I've added another element to this biographical account of Tolkien's imagination of the story, and this has radically changed the resulting picture.

This new strand of research begins with The Lost Road, volume 5 of the Home series, which gives Tolkien's work just before commencing LotR. Introducing 'The Fall of Númenor' Christopher Tolkien quotes a letter by his father that states that only some while after composing the myth of Númenor did he integrate it into his mythology. Christopher declares that his father must have erred in his recollections, but his reading of the letter may be faulted. And then later in this volume Christopher expresses surprise that the conclusion of the 'Quenta Silmarillion', while evidently penned after composition of the myth of Númenor, makes no reference to it. The conclusion is obviously that Christopher has erred here and that his father's memory was correct. And this opens the question of when Tolkien did in fact decide to integrate Númenor into his mythology.

The answer is that this decision was made between March and August 1938, i.e. in the first break from composition of the new Hobbit story. The first explicit reference to 'The Fall of Númenor' is on the way to Weathertop, when Trotter says that Elendil and Gilgalad made a fort on this hill in the days of the Last Alliance. But actually the very first sign of the integration is in the house of Bombadil, who declares that he was here 'before the seas were bent'.

At this point one should step back and reflect on what is now before us. Back in February 1938 we have the 'Quenta Silmarillion' and we have a new Hobbit story that is set vaguely in days after the War of Wrath (this date established by Gildor's introduction in the Woody End), while Númenor belongs to a separate project. In August, when Tom declares that he was in the world before it was made round, we glimpse, for the very first time, Tolkien's vision of Three Ages of Middle-earth.

Why Tolkien hit upon this massive expansion of his mythology to encompass three ages is another question, which I will not go into here. What matters here is that the evidence (imo) points unambiguously to the vision of Three Ages of Middle-earth arising in Spring/Summer of 1938, with the adventures in Bombadil's realm the first thing that Tolkien wrote with this new vision in mind.

From this perspective, the adventures in Bombadil's realm bear witness to Tolkien's vision of a mythology that for the first time encompasses the vast and comprehensive ideas that are today regarded as canonical. Once Tolkien has hit upon this massive temporal expansion of his mythology sometime during his break in composition we can be sure that all sorts of ideas are now swirling around in his head.

Hence, with this discovery I find myself all of a sudden much more amenable to your readings of Bombadil and Goldberry. Intuitively, they make much more sense than they did hitherto.
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Chrys: Did read it. Interesting chronical and helpful. :thumbs:
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Hello Chrysophylax Dives

No need for a peace offering. We were never at war. Though I did think it was right to step back and pause for reflection.

However the fault for the overly lengthy cessation in communication is entirely mine. I have been absolutely swamped in my private life for several months now. And find just enough time to occasionally post - which I have prioritized over everything else. Hopefully that will change soon. :smile:

I will address your post within the next couple of days.

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Hello Priya, no urgency on this thread. I hope the developments in your life that you refer to are good ones! Here some more on the same.

Tolkien pens the Bombadil material in August 1938 and moves directly on to Bree, where they are joined by Trotter, a queerly dressed Hobbit who wears shoes. On the walk to Weathertop, Trotter says: 'It is told by some that Gilgalad and Valandil [>Elendil] made a fort and strong place here in the Ancient Days, when they marched East.' The reference is to the Last Alliance. Then, as night falls and the Hobbits sit in the dell on Weathertop, Trotter chants the beginning of and then tells some more of the tale of Beren and Lúthien. When you take on board that the decision to integrate Númenor into the mythology has only just been taken, one can see Tolkien here feeling out the new temporal background of this Hobbit story - Elendil the exile of Númenor is ancient history, while Beren and Lúthien are in an even more ancient, mythical time, before the seas were bent.

But now consider the very first feeling out of this new temporal background, in the house of Tom Bombadil. (Text in bold is absent or revised in published chapter.)
Suddenly Tom’s talk left the woods and went leaping up the young stream, over bubbling waterfalls, over pebbles and worn rocks, and among small flowers in close grass and wet crannies, wandering at last up on to the Downs. They heard of the Great Barrows, and the green mounds, and the stone-rings upon the hills and in the hollows among the hills. Sheep were bleating in flocks. Green walls and white walls rose. There were fortresses on the heights. Kings of little kingdoms fought together, and the young Sun shone like fire on the red metal of their new and greedy swords. There was victory and defeat; and towers fell, fortresses were burned, and flames went up into the sky. Gold was piled on the biers of dead kings and queens; and mounds covered them, and the stone doors were shut; and the grass grew over all. Sheep walked for a while biting the grass, but soon the hills were empty again. A dark shadow came up out of the middle of the world, and the bones were stirred in the mounds. Barrow-wights walked in the hollow places with a clink of rings on cold fingers, and gold chains in the wind. Stone rings grinned out of the ground like broken teeth in the moonlight.

When they caught his words again they found that he had now wandered into strange regions beyond their memory and beyond their waking thought, into times when the world was wider, and the seas flowed straight to the western Shore; and still further Tom went singing back before the Sun and before the Moon, out into the old starlight, when only the Elf-sires were awake. Then suddenly he stopped, and they saw that he nodded as if he was falling asleep. The hobbits sat still before him, enchanted; and it seemed as if, under the spell of his words, the wind had gone, and the clouds had dried up, and the day had been withdrawn, and darkness had come from East and West, and all the sky was filled with the light of white stars.

Whether the morning and evening of one day or of many days had passed Frodo could not tell (nor did he ever discover for certain). He did not feel either hungry or tired, only filled with wonder. The stars shone through the window and the silence of the heavens seemed to be round him. He spoke at last out of his wonder and a sudden fear of that silence:

‘Who are you. Master?’ he asked.

‘Eh, what?’ said Tom sitting up, and his eyes glinted in the gloom. ‘I am an Aborigine, that’s what I am, the Aborigine of this land. Mark my words, my merry friends: Tom was here before the River or the Trees. Tom remembers the first acorn and the first rain-drop. He made paths before the Big People, and saw the Little People arriving. He was here before the kings and the graves and the [ghosts >] Barrow-wights. When the Elves passed westward Tom was here already - before the seas were bent. He saw the Sun rise in the West and the Moon following, before the new order of days was made. He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless — before the Dark Lord came from Outside.’
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Hello Chrysophylax Dives

Everything is good with me - just super busy!


I do like to look at all the evidence, and that includes draft texts. However, I’m sure you’ll agree that it’s more scholarly for one to pay greater heed to the finished product. Not to say, that draft texts don’t have their place and uses.

A minor quibble: I understand the point where the ‘Bombadil chapter’ text most nearly approaches the final form as The Third Phase which C.T. states as not (or barely) begun by October 1938.

And this timeframe is crucial, Not because of what CT points out as contained in the various draft chapter passages - but because of an entirely external event.

The ‘elephant in the room’ is actually On Fairy-stories. And it was on October 1938 that the Professor was invited to give the Andrew Lang Lecture. It is the material in the Lecture paper, and how it relates to Tom and Goldberry - that is of greater interest. For there is no doubt much had been firmed up about the merry couple by the time of lecture delivery (March 1939) and perhaps just after.

What I have revealed might seem far-fetched to some. However, a much better appreciation of where I am coming from can be gained by contextualizing OFS in relation to the Bombadils. As, I might add, nobody else has done.

… to be continued

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... slipped in before the continuation, on the minor quibble:
A minor quibble: I understand the point where the ‘Bombadil chapter’ text most nearly approaches the final form as The Third Phase which C.T. states as not (or barely) begun by October 1938.
The adventures with Bombadil of the Third Phase (Oct.-Dec. 1938) are outlined in 'Return of the Shadow' (327-329) and reveal only minor differences to the August 1938 text. If you wish we can go through CT's commentary on the First Phase of August, but it will bear out my statement that on first writing the text that we know was very largely reached.

I agree that there is a deep affinity between the Bombadil chapters and OFS. But these chapters were set down before the invitation.

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What has happened to your earlier work? How does a new reading in relation to OFS square with the old reading of the enigma?
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Hello Chrysophylax Dives

My understanding is by the Third Phase, while highlighting some remaining differences in the Bombadil chapter, some previously pointed out from prior phases are now ironed out. C.T. states the following in RoTS:

“In all the other minor differences mentioned on pp. 122-3 the present text reaches the final form”.

This is in line with what I said in my previous post.


But these chapters were set down before the invitation.
What relevance does that have?

My intention was purely to show that Tolkien’s subcreativity with the merry pair likely spanned across the Andrew Lang Lecture and its preparation phase. In other words, the Bombadils were very much on Tolkien’s mind both pre-preparation (before October 1938) and post-delivery (after March 1939), when Tolkien picked up serious effort again on TFotR.

As I have already conjectured in your Bombadil thread, Tom and Goldberry were conceived/portrayed as fay creatures for the 1934 The Adventures of Tom Bombadil poem. Probably different types of fay as delineated in The Creatures of the Earth. So when inserting them in TLotR there was no doubt that they were going to be special. No, not just another Farmer Maggot and his wife helping the hobbits along the way. But genuinely powerful beings able to assist the hobbits beyond the limitations of mortals.

I’m glad that you’ve acknowledged how much the Bombadils are reflected in the OFS Lecture. Perhaps I don’t need to go further or summarize?

As to the ‘Enigma’ article - it’s coming per the road map I provided early in your thread. I am now midway through (h).

(a) Christian Calendar dates & the archangel Michael ✓
(b) Flower Lore ✓
(c) Folklore of the British Isles & the archangel Michael ✓
(d) The New Testament of the Bible ✓
(e) The Old Testament of the Bible ✓
(f) Household Fairy tales (Lower mythologies) ✓
(g) Legendary Gods - Lugh, Lleu, Esus, Mercury (Higher mythologies) ✓
(h) Color mixing & Resulting Implications
(i) Secret allegorical roles
(j) Legendary Welsh Bard - Taliesin

Yes, I know what’s contained in that article is very much different from what’s been presented by me thus far in your thread. But at the very end of it all - I want to tie them together. Plaza readers will hopefully see how both sets of work neatly mesh together.

As I keep repeating, Tom and Goldberry were incredibly sophisticated characters. They had extraordinary and hitherto unrealized depth to them!

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Priya wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:18 pm I’m glad that you’ve acknowledged how much the Bombadils are reflected in the OFS Lecture. Perhaps I don’t need to go further or summarize?
Thank you for the road map!

I certainly see the Bombadils as integral to OFS. But by now I am fairly confident that what I see is quite different to how you see things! So please feel free to go further and summarize.

I get moments of insight reading your work, though usually it is on the level of intuition that I cannot explain. Your idea of Bombadil as the audience of a play seemed to me inspired. Though I cannot get my head around it I feel as if were I to do so lots and lots would suddenly become clear. I have had similar feelings with some of your plaza posts on Bombadil and Goldberry.

From where I stand after many years pondering Return of the Shadow, I worry that you treat Bombadil and Goldberry as autonomous and independent of the surrounding story. The dreams in the house of Bombadil begin already in the house at Crickhollow in the Shire, and are actually initiated at the cross-roads of the Woody End, where the road taken by the three Hobbits intersects with a Black Rider sniffing out Hobbits and a company of singing Elves returning from a pilgrimage to the Stone of Elendil set up in Elostirion, the western Elf-tower. Bombadil's realm has significance also in relation to the Woody End and Weathertop.
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Hello Chrysophylax Dives

I think I will hold off posting a summary in this thread, and instead insert it in your main ‘Bombadil’ thread when I’m finished with (h).

Right now, it’s understandable that you aren’t completely aligned with my thoughts. Perhaps part of that is down to not yet hearing my entire story. Maybe the light bulb will no longer flicker and fully come on after that? We shall see!

From where I stand after many years pondering Return of the Shadow, I worry that you treat Bombadil and Goldberry as autonomous and independent of the surrounding story.
Can you explain how and why you come to such a conclusion?
The dreams in the house of Bombadil begin already in the house at Crickhollow in the Shire, and are actually initiated at the cross-roads of the Woody End, where the road taken by the three Hobbits intersects with a Black Rider sniffing out Hobbits and a company of singing Elves returning from a pilgrimage to the Stone of Elendil set up in Elostirion, the western Elf-tower.
Can you give me an explanation of the cause or instigator behind each of the dreams?
Bombadil's realm has significance also in relation to the Woody End and Weathertop.
Can you please explain more?

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Hi Priya,
Can you give me an explanation of the cause or instigator behind each of the dreams?
This is some question! Ultimately, I think the point is that with these dreams we enter relationships that are beyond cause, or beyond our understanding of reality, which I think is some of what Tolkien was pointing to in his letter to Mroczkowski.
I am grateful for what you say of my opus, and I think you are right : this simultaneity of different planes of reality touching one another and so affecting others, but tangentially, was part of the not so much intended, but deeply felt idea that I had. In the case of Elves this is explicit (I 93-94). Beyond that too I feel that no construction of the human mind, whether in imagination or the highest philosophy, can contain within its own 'englobement' all that there is, or even reduce all that the constructor knows to part of his construction. There is always something left over that demands a different or longer construction to 'explain' it or relate it to the rest. It's like a 'play', in which, hardly obvious enough perhaps to disturb attention or create the spell for a spectator, there are noises that do not belong, chinks in the scenery that let out a gleam which is not pertinent. They can only be explained, or related to the 'play', by reference to a different world and plane : that of the author and producer and his servants : stage-hands and lighting-experts.

That is why I left Tom Bombadil in and did not 'tinker' with him though much tempted to do so in the 'Council of Elrond', to bring him into the historical pattern.
This letter suggests reading Tom's realm in relation to the Woody End. The reference I 93-94 is to the conclusion of the conversation of Gildor and Frodo in the Woody End at the conclusion of Chapter Three, 'Three is Company'.

Return of the Shadow reveals how the story of The Lord of the Rings so to speak fell upon Tolkien without premeditation - he sent three Hobbits walking over the Shire with no more intent than getting them to Buckland where they could enter the Old Forest and the 1934 'Adventures of Tom Bombadil' but, one night out from Bag-end, the Black Riders appear! The second Black Rider dismounts and crawls towards Bingo, sniffing. But the Ringwraith flees at the sound of mingled Elvish song and laugher. Back in February 1938 Tolkien wrote this 'cross-roads' of the Woody End and - all at once and all of a sudden - he had a story: the magic ring makes peole like Bingo Bolger-Baggins into Ringwraiths, undead slaves of the Necromancer, who has sent some Ringwraiths to obtain his missing ring, and the Hobbit who keeps it!

In his last published work, The Road Goes Ever On (1967), Tolkien provides a commentary on the hymn to Elbereth sung by the Company of Elves, as also in the Hall of Fire in Rivendell. Tolkien discloses that Gildor's Elves were returning to Rivendell from Elostirion on the Tower Hills, where they had gazed into the Stone of Elendil and - maybe - seen a clear but remote vision of Varda standing and looking out on Middle-earth from the Mountain of Valinor.
  • Out of the night after that spent in the Woody End, Frodo awakes at the house in Crickhollow from a dream of Elostirion, which he has seen and desired to climb but awoken before he could reach its stairs. A footnote in Appendix A establishes that the tower of this dream is Elostirion.

    The following night, the first in the house of Bombadil, Frodo dreams of Gandalf rescued by eagle from Orthanc.

    And on the third night, the second in the house of Bombadil, Frodo dreams of the shores of Valinor - a vision of song that at the very end of the Red Book is said to be what Frodo sees when his ship reaches the further shore of the shoreless sea.
In my reading of the published story, the enchantment begins to be woven in the Woody End and is completed in the house of Bombadil. This house - and this realm and these two hosts, Tom and Goldberry - add something else to the magic. They complement the vision of Valinor in the Stone in the Tower, rather than merely replicate. This is where the spell is completed, but it begins in the Woody End; or strictly speaking, just before the Woody End, when the first Black Rider appears.

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The history of composition is more tangled. While the cross-roads of the Woody End and Bombadil remained anchors through the decade and more of composition the way that Tolkien understood their significance did change. The dreams are not worked out and placed for a few years, and only in putting together the appendices after completing the story is the final pattern spelled out, so that we may learn from Appendix A that at the time of the meeting in the Woody End there is a Stone in Elostirion (whereas after the days of the story there is no Stone but there is the Red Book under the Elf-tower, in the house of the Fairbairns of Undertowers).

The first and the second of the published sequences of dreams - of Elostirion that Frodo does not climb and of Gandalf rescued from Orthanc - are borne of a single dream that only appears after summer 1939, a pre-Saruman explanation of Gandalf's delay in meeting up with the Hobbits before they leave Bag-end. In 1939, Frodo has a far-seeing dream - at first on the night in the Woody End but soon shifted to Crickhollow - of Gandalf in Elostirion besieged by Ringwraiths, horsemen who stand silent watch outside. The next year the final explanation of the wizard's delay appears as this Elf-tower besieged by Ringwraiths becomes Orthanc, home of a traitor wizard, and Gandalf is rescued from the top; while in Crickhollow, Frodo dreams enigmatically of Elostirion - but prior to late 1942 there are no Seeing Stones in the story and so this western Elf-tower in which Gandalf is no longer taking refuge would seem to be empty, or at least unexplored. Only after composition with the careful work of the appendices is the link with Valinor placed in this Tower, in the form of the Stone of Elendil that is taken back on the last ship.
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Hello Chrysophylax Dives

One matter I forgot to comment on is that the point about Tom and Goldberry being central to the new tale, early on its launch, is something I wholeheartedly agree with. Tolkien put immense effort into these creations, and I tried to express this in your ‘Bombadil’ thread in my 28 May 2024 post.

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Priya wrote: Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:29 am Hello Chrysophylax Dives

One matter I forgot to comment on is that the point about Tom and Goldberry being central to the new tale, early on its launch, is something I wholeheartedly agree with.
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Hello Priya

I will have to search the post you reference.

I've been thinking of you in relation to these threads that have touched on the tower of the dream at Crickhollow, the first of three far-seeing dreams, the rest of which are dreamed in the house of Tom Bombadil. This tower is a version of that of the allegory in 'Beowulf: the Monsters and the Critics', or so it seems to me (which may or may not change how one reads it).
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